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« Resposta #1 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 10:09:14 »
Marascas,

Sem criar polêmica, o karate que não usa o sistema WKF não é oficial ? É a Federação de Okinawa que é onde nasceu o karate ? JKA ? TRADICIONAL ?

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« Resposta #2 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 10:24:23 »
Arivaldo,

 O Karate da WKF é o OFICIAL.
 O Karate que treinamos, Tradicional é o não-oficial,mas que é VERDADEIRO KARATE, isso é......
KATSUMOTO-Prof. Roberto Sant Anna

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« Resposta #3 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 10:43:51 »
kATSUMOTO,

concordo em grau, número e gênero......

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« Resposta #4 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 11:34:21 »
hehe,

Marascas,

sempre polêmico...

... sempre errado.
lt;div>Yano - Olhos de Tigre</div>

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« Resposta #5 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 12:33:08 »
ITKF E WKF SÃO OFICIAL...Estatuto da WKF... :D

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« Resposta #6 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 12:38:58 »
Amigos, não fui eu quem inventou o Karate. Não fui eu quem criou centenas de estilos diferentes. Não fui eu quem criou centenas de escolas e resolveu brigar e se separar e criar centenas de federações diferentes de Karate. Também não fui eu quem criou o termo "Tradicional", "Olímpico", "Oficial" e nem droga nenhuma...

O termo oficial refere-se ao ESPORTE. A WKF é a federação oficial a administrar o "Esporte Karate" perante o COI e nos órgãos do governo de cada país. É apenas uma designação para diferenciar das demais organizações. Concordo que a palavra é arrogante, mas não fui eu quem inventou! Eu talves colocaria "Karate Esportivo", sei lá...

 O Karate Budo ou Arte Marcial pode ser seu Karate, o meu, o de qualquer um. Apenas uso um termo que como já disse não foi criado por mim e não tenho a mínina pretenção de ofender a ninguém, mas preciso me diferenciar das outras centenas de entidades de alguma forma, pois alguém poderia pensar que sou do KARATE TRIDIMENSIONAL, KARATE RAIOS DE SOL, KARATE TAPANACARA, KARATE INTERDISCIPLINAR, KARATE DO PODER INTERIOR QUE VEM DE DENTRO, KARATE FREE-LANCE, KARATE DE CONTATOS IMEDIATOS DO 3º GRAU, KARATE DE CABO DE GUERRA, KARATE BIN LADEN, KARATE ULTRA MAIS, KARATE DO PODER DO BUCHO DE BODE, etc.

Por isso já escrevi no início do tópico "A quem interessar".
 Quem não simpatiza com o Karate WKF, não precisa se importar com o tópico. Apenas estou divulgando no uso da liberdade de expressão algo que interessa somente a quem se interressa pelo Karate esporte da WKF.

Yano: Errado??
Não entendo! O guedai barai é o mesmo...

Para esclarecer meu ponto de vista, já falei inúmeras vezes, que se eu pudesse desmanchava com todas as federações de Karate do mundo e criava uma só com seus respectivos departamentos de: Esporte, Contato e Tradicional...

Mas não estou mais disposto a argumentar sobre federações. Isso já tá ficando que nem bunda, cada um tem a sua...

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« Resposta #7 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 12:39:52 »
artigo 6 em English


6. Principles relating to the Traditional Karate Commission (TKC).

6.1 The TKC is composed of at least 7 members appointed by the EC in accordance with the provisions below :

6.1.1 The total number of members of the TKC is fixed by the Congress at the proposal of the EC.

6.1.2 The majority of members of the TKC (examples : 4 if the total number is 7, 5 if the total number is 8 or 9, 6 if the total number is 10 or 11, etc.) must be composed by T members of the EC.
 

6.1.3 The powers of the TKC are :

6.1.3.1 to elaborate all the rules and regulations concerning Tradtional Karate, in particular with regard to eligibility, competitions and all technical areas.

6.1.3.2 to manage, under the supervision of the treasurer of the WKF and the EC, the T fund and report on such management to the EC.

6.1.3.3 to study all affairs relating to Traditional Karate and report on these to the EC.

6.1.3.4 to perform all other missions or tasks assigned to it by the Congress or EC.

6.1.3.5 to submit to each ordinary Congress a report on its activities.

6.1.4 The TKC itself elects its chairman from among its members.


Em espagnol

6. Principios relativos a la Comision Tradicional de Karate (TKC)


6.1. La TKC está compuesta por al menos 7 miembros nombrados por el Comité Ejecutivo de acuerdo con las siguientes provisiones:

6.1.1. El número total de miembros de la TKC es fijado por el Congreso a propuesta del Comité Ejecutivo.

6.1.2. La mayoría de los miembros de la TKC (ejemplos: 4 si el numero total es 7, 5 si el número total es 8 ó 9, 6 si el número total es 10 ú 11, etc.) debe estar compuesta por delegados T del CE.
 
6.1.3. Los poderes de la TKC son:

6.1.3.1.Elaborar todas las reglas y regulaciones del Karate tradicional en particular con respecto a elegibilidad, competiciones y todas las áreas técnicas.

6.1.3.2. Gestionar, bajo la supervisión del Tesorero de la WKF y el  Comité Ejecutivo, el fondo T, e informar de tal gestión al Comité Ejecutivo.

6.1.3.3. Estudiar todos los asuntos relativos a las formas de Karate tradicional e informar al Comité Ejecutivo.

6.1.3.4. Realizar todas otras aquellas misiones o tareas asignadas a la TKC por el Congreso o Comité Ejecutivo.

6.1.3.5. Dar a cada Congreso Ordinario un informe de sus   actividades.

6.1.4. La TKC por sí misma elige su Director de entre sus miembros.

e em Français

6. Principes relatifs a la Commission du Karate Traditionnel (CKT)


6.1 La CKT se compose de 7 membres au moins nommés par le CE conformément aux dispositions ci-après :

6.1.1 Le nombre total des membres de la CKT est arrêté par le CE.

6.1.2 La majorité des membres de la CKT (exemples : 4 si le nombre total est de 7;5 si le nombre total est de 8 ou 9, 6 si le nombre total est de 10 ou 11, etc.) doit être composé de délégués T. (membres du CE).

6.1.3 Les attributions de la CKT sont :

6.1.3.1 Elaborer tous les règlements et toutes les prescriptions concernant le Karaté Traditionnel, notamment en matière d’éligibilité, de compétitions et tous domaines techniques.

6.1.3.2 Gérer, sous le contrôle du trésorier de la WKF et du CE, le fonds T et faire rapport sur cette gestion au CE.

6.1.3.3 Etudier toutes les affaires relatives au Karaté Traditionnel et faire rapport à ce sujet au CE.

6.1.3.4 Exécuter toutes autres missions ou tâches qui lui sont assignées par le Congrès ou le CE.
 
6.1.3.5 Soumettre à chaque Congrès Ordinaire un rapport sur ses activités.

6.1.4 La CKT élit elle-même son Directeur parmi ses membres... 8)

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« Resposta #8 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 12:41:41 »
será?

acho q nem o Gedan Barai é mais o mesmo...

...
lt;div>Yano - Olhos de Tigre</div>

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« Resposta #9 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 12:49:53 »
Dan,
Eu ainda não entendi. Se puder, explique melhor o que a ITKF e WKF têm em comum... E se têm, porque ainda estão atuando separadas.
Pelo que sei, o motivo da criação da WKF na década de 90 era de unir a antiga WUKO com a ITKF, ou seja, a WKF seria a tradicional  e a ex-WUKO juntas, mas por motivos políticos parece que isso não aconteceu, certo?

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« Resposta #10 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 13:31:55 »
Eu vo te responder,

A WKF permete so 17% do ITKF, because a politica que fase a WKF e de pegar tudo mundo junto, so que Nishyama nâo vai demorar tudo tempo.
Outro ponto importante e que tem muito imbecil que pense que o Karate Tradicional não fui acceptado para a WKF. ISSO E FALSO !!!

"...a WKF seria a tradicional e a ex-WUKO juntas, mas por motivos políticos parece que isso não aconteceu, certo?..."

Motivos politicos, sim  e no, eu no foi la quando em 98 para diser que acontecer esse dia de reconecimento para o CIO !!
So que o tradicional e bem dentro a WKF, e que a ITKF no tem o direito absoluto de promulga a ideologia Olympique...

e isso eu ache que as pessoas vão me matar... :?   mas e a verdade..

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« Resposta #11 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 13:44:40 »
Esse Artigo e velho, mas pode interessada muito gente... 8)


THE BATTLE FOR OLYMPIC KARATE RECOGNITION
WUKO vs. IAKF
by Jon K. Evans, Ph.D.
Black Belt Magazine, Feb 1988
 
Although most of the Western karate world is unaware of it, there is a considerable schism in "shotokan" karate. There is good reason to believe it was this division that led to the long and bitter rivalry between the World Union of Karate-do Organizations (WUKO) and the now-defunct International Amateur Karate Federation (IAKF) for International Olympic Committee (IOC) recognition as the international governing body for amateur karate and the right to oversee all karate competitions at future Olympic Games.
In Japan, the different approaches to Gichin Funakoshi's popular style are [ed: were!] represented by, on the one hand, the Japan Karate Association (JKA) and, on the other, the All-Japan University Karate League. Internationally, JKA shotokan is represented by its affiliated organizations in various countries, as well as instructors originally aligned with the JKA who have since formed their own international organizations (like Hirokazu Kanazawa in Great Britain and his Shotokan Karate International), and national groups that have disassociated themselves from their original instructors but still consider themselves to be practicing JKA shotokan (like the American JKA, led by Randall Hassell and Ray Dalke).

Internationally, the University style is represented by university-trained instructors who don't subscribe to the JKA's canon of shotokan. A good example is the loosely affiliated association of national organizations in America, Israel, France, Morocco, Spain, Switzerland, Gabon, Germany, Holland, Canada, and Curacao, each of which calls itself France Shotokan, Swiss Shotokan, Israel Shotokan, etc. This group practices shotokan karate as interpreted and taught by Tsutomu Ohshima of Los Angeles, whom they regard as their chief instructor.

Despite similarities on the international level between the JKA's shotokan and the university style as taught by Ohshima (both groups insist they practice shotokan karate; both claim direct descent from Funakoshi, the founder of shotokan; both practice Funakoshi's kata (forms); and both pattern their practices after Funakoshi's original instruction sessions at Keio University), there are considerable philosophical and physical differences in their approaches to the teaching and study of karate.

The specific technical differences between JKA and university technique have been discussed in a previous article, "The Division in Shotokan" (BLACK BELT, March, 1982). Suffice it to say that the JKA's basic technique tends to be mechanical and disjointed, while the university method is more fluid, without movement-restricting rigidity. This discussion will be restricted to the differences in philosophy and political attitudes between the two groups.

Most of the differences in the two approaches to karate training are directly traceable to the history of the JKA and the University League in Japan. A brief review of the post World War II history of karate politics in Japan might prove instructional at this point.

Shortly after World War II, Isao Obata, Seichi Takagi, Hiroshi Noguchi, Shigeru Egami and Genshin Hironishi gathered other longtime karate practitioners from universities such as Waseda, Keio and Takushoku to form the JKA in order to provide organizational and financial support for Funakoshi, who, like most true martial arts masters, was not financially successful. Takushoku Uníversity had been the training school for imperial administrators during Japan's expansionist period, and its students gravitated into administrative positions in the new karate organization. With their imperial background, they soon began to lend a regimented, aggressive, expansionist flavor to the JKA, a development not entirely palatable to the more introverted university men.

Eventually, the university groups decided to withdraw from the JKA and reform on one hand Shotokai, where Master Funakoshi was the president until his death and the All-Japan University Karate League under the leadership of Isao Obata. The division, however, was not exact; Takushoku University stayed with the JKA while also participating in the University League, and several individuals made their own choices. The overall result was that Japanese karate divided in the 1950s into what were essentially a university karate league and a public or layman's karate group.

The JKA considered the aggressive development and expansion of karate training to be a vital part of its practice program; "technical progress" were its watchwords. By contrast, the university group tended to be more conservative and followed Funakoshi's original teachings more closely. The JKA adjusted details of Funakoshi's kata, not distorting them beyond recognition, but certainly redefining characteristic movements. One of the clear differences between the JKA's shotokan and Ohshima's university-based version is the incontrovertible fact that the JKA teaches kata that are not the same as Funakoshi's because of these adjustments. Ohshima, by contrast, teaches only Funakoshi-authorized kata.

In order to understand how the schism between the JKA and the main university karate groups led to the worldwide rivalry between WUKO and the IAKF, it is necessary to review the relationship and the differences between Ohshima, a product of the university system, and Hidetaka Nishiyama, a leading technician of the JKA.

Ohshima, a 1953 graduate of Waseda University, studied karate there under the personal supervision of Gichin Funakoshi, he went to the United States in 1955 to do graduate study in political science at the University of Southern California. In 1956 he began teaching karate to a small group of Americans in what is generally conceded to be the first organized karate practice in the United States. By 1960, Ohshima had decided to return to Japan to live.

Before leaving the United States, Ohshima wrote to Japan asking for an instructor to continue teaching his American students. Well aware of the university-JKA division in Japan, Ohshima did not want a similar problem to arise overseas, and he hoped to keep his fledgling organization in the U.S. independent of both the University League and the JKA. His original invitation went to a Keio University student who was medically unable to accept the offer. Ohshima's second choice was Nishiyama of Takushoku University and the JKA, a renowned technician who immediately accepted the offer. The fact Ohshima could offer Nishiyama a position proved that it was possible to make a living teaching karate outside of Japan. Thus encouraged, the JKA immediately began a rapid expansion program, exporting instructors worldwide in the 1960s. By the end of the decade, Teruyuki Okazaki and Takayuki Mikami were in the continental U.S., Hirokazu Kanazawa was in Hawaii, and Keinosuke Enoeda was in Great Britain.

In early 1961, Ohshima met with Nishiyama and agreed on the details of an arrangement for Nishiyama to assume the responsibility of instructing Ohshima's American group. Ohshima wanted Nishiyama to stay for three years, but Nishiyama insisted he could stay for only one. They agreed they would jointly choose a replacement instructor at the end of Nishiyama's one year, and that in order to maintain the American group's neutrality in the university-JKA disagreement, Nishiyama would not affiliate the American group with the JKA.

On arriving in Los Angeles, Nishiyama took control of Ohshima's American organization. Stating that the JKA had advanced karate technique far beyond Funakoshi's level, he abrogated his agreement to maintain neutrality and affiliated the Americans with the JKA. He then proceeded to retrain Ohshima's students in JKA technique, as opposed to the less rigid, less mechanical university style. In a series of clever political maneuvers, he reorganized the administration of the group. He also did not depart at the end of a year; by then he was firmly entrenched.

When Ohshima arrived in Los Angeles in December of 1962, intending only to visit his old students, he was appalled at what Nishiyama had done to the American organization Ohshima had spent five years building. Ohshima decided to stay and try to salvage what he could.

After a few months of serious friction within the group between the Ohshima loyalists and the Nishiyama followers, Nishiyama took two-thirds of the students and moved to a different dojo (training hall) down the street. Unable to maintain the upkeep of his decimated dojo, Ohshima moved to a different section of Los Angeles, and both he and Nishiyama continued to train their adherents in their respective approaches to karate. Nishiyama called his organization the All-America Karate Federation (now the American Amateur Karate Federation). Ohshima's Southern California Karate Association soon metamorphosed into Shotokan Karate of America (SKA).

Ohshima and Nishiyama maintained an uneasy truce until 1970, when the first World Karate Tournament was organized by the Federation of All-Japan Karate-do Organizations (FAJKO) in Japan. Japanese instructors in various countries were invited to send teams to compete in Tokyo. The United States invitation went to Ohshima, who formed a committee of Japanese instructors (including Fumio Demura, Gogen Yamaguchi, Kiyoshi Yamazaki, and Nishiyama, among others) to select the U.S. representatives. Southern Californian karateka Dan Ivan was chosen leader of the delegation. Amid convoluted political machinations, WUKO was formed in Tokyo during the tournament.

In 1971, Jacques Delcourt of the French Federation of Karate and Associated Martial Arts, charged with the organization of the second WUKO World Karate Championships, invited Ivan to send a U.S. team to Paris in 1972. Ivan, disgusted with the political maneuverings surrounding the 1970 inception of WUKO in Tokyo, passed the invitation on; it eventually reached the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU), which knew nothing about karate. The AAU asked Nishiyama's AAKF to organize its team for WUKO II.

Despite vociferous protests from other U.S. karate organizations, Nishiyama and his minions chose a seven-man team --three MKF athletes and four affiliated with the AAKF. The AAKF ignored outstanding American athletes like two-time national champion Ron Marchini who did not belong to the organization The AAKF- chosen United States team later walked out of the 1972 WUKO championships in protest of the officiating.

During the next two years, the AAKF controlled U S amateur karate with respect to WUKO Nishiyama's mouthpiece, A R Allen, served as AAU national karate chairman and as first vice-president of WUKO, and the third World Karate Championships was set for Long Beach, California, in 1974 However, in early 1974, the national administration of the earlier Nishiyama and Allen intended to install the AAKF as the American member of WUKO, usurping the AAU's position David Rivenes, AAU president, immediately fired Allen as AAU national karate chairman and appointed Caylor Adkins, one of Ohshima's black belts, to the position The third WUKO World Championships was subsequently deIayed for a year, until 1975, to enable the AAU to set up a proper organization to run the competition Nishiyama staged a world tournament of his own in 1975, attended by teams representing JKA organizations in various countries

Having lost control of the AAU, which was the American member of WUKO, and having thereby lost the first vice-presidency of WUKO, Nishiyama in 1975 formed the International Amateur Karate Federation (IAKF, naming himself executive director, to dispute WUKO's claim as the international governing body of amateur karate The national members of the IAKF were in nearly every case the JKA organizations from various countries, regardless of whether or not those organizations had any recognition from their own governments or national Olympic committees WUKO membership, on the other hand, was limited to national organizations having the recognition of their own governments, Olympic committees, or highest sporting authorities.

A lengthy and bitter battle ensued between WUKO and IAKF for recognition by the International Olympic Committee and pre-eminence as the recognized international governing body for karate, culminating in the June 5,1985, recognition a WUKO by the IOC.

In the overwhelming sweep of events, the actual roots of significant happenings are sometimes lost. It may seem difficult to believe that the rivalry between WUKO and IAKF for the control of international amateur karate was in fact based in a schism between karate factions in Japan some 30 or 40 years ago The ideological differences generated in that sport were carried to the United States by young men trained in opposing philosophies The emanations of the American conflict spread worldwide, scooping up thousands of innocent karate practitioners into a political contest not of their making.


About the Author: Jon Evans is a Black Belt in Shotokan Karate and currently serves as WUKO controller of competition. He worked on the AAU National Karate Committee for 16 years and served nine years as first vice-president of WUKO

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« Resposta #12 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 13:59:33 »
Sei que vão me xingar mais Tradicional, Olimpico, Oficial, interestilos, todos vem de um mesmo lugar.

Pior ainda se a lenda for verdadeira " toda arte marcial sobre a terra vem de Shaolin".

Então praticamos um kung-fu mais rigido e sem floreamento.

Isso parece discussão de religião.

Todos acreditantam em um Deus mais um tem que falar mal da religião do outro e dizer que isso ou aquilo não presta e é coisa di diabo.


Só falta alguem falar que a associação, federação, estilo X9 tem pacto com o demo.

E com isso o karate afunda e ninguem faz nada para salva-lo.


Obs: ninguem que eu digo são grupos grandes de pessoas importantes dentro da arte.

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« Resposta #13 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 15:47:55 »
Agora tô contigo Samurai!

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« Resposta #14 Online: Novembro 29, 2005, 16:31:44 »
HAHAHAHAHA!!!FALOU TUDO SAMURAI!!!!!POR ISSO QUE EU TREINO TUDO!! O QUE FOR MUITO RUIN EU DEIXO DE LADO!!!

Abraços!!

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